What you'll read here was kinda an answer to OPs resignation thread in which he ordered a full server, more Members on his Forum and so on.
I have been on the server for a long time under two different names. I had to make up the second one after my first argument with OP, although i was never banned with nr1. OP really is pretty much the only one I have ever had a problem with.
I have seen almost more Clans leave because of him than there are active ones right now. And I do think that sometimes OP is a cause of trouble where ever he appears: TLR, other Freelancer servers etc. So have a seat and read what I wrote. Its not what started the conflict in the first place but it is what made it visible for everyone to see.


Summary of what I wrote about SWAT and its admin: It includes all the arguments I made, yet no "Insults". Use you imagination or ask per PM if you care.

a) Swat failed:
I said: The forum was made to be the one forum about freelancer modding and a portal for many games. It was supposed to dominate the freelancer forums. Other forums like TLR were always treated as enemies.
Yet SWAT could never help many people that were looking for modding tutorials, most sub forums for other games were never used by anyone really and the number of active members never really increased but stayed constant.

Reasons for this might be
- The game is too old, the genre too unknown/nobody cares for space simulation
- The interest was lost in the game as this mod did not change for years
- Some clans were in fact driven out
- OP didn't seem happy sharing his modding knowledge
- The ugly and chaotic forum
- No moderation in the forums

In the following part I bitched about the fact that OP always wanted more members to be brought here, not seeing that the interest of the people wasn't even touched by the game anymore. Also I mentioned that filling the servers like requested would make gaming a duty and that I would not do that for OP
[we had like 20 players online every evening before the Shit thing began]


b) OPs faults:
The game was never updated resulting in growing boredom. CF18 might change that though.
Every once in a while OP found that something was utterly wrong with the community/the server. Yet he never communicated with the people. Instead he claims to know about everything going on.

I then criticized OPs Win/win attitude as he said that heed either archive his goal or proove a point. Complete nonsense if you ask me.

Then i went further:
If OP does not act in any way corresponding to the communities needs, he simply is a bad admin. Nobody needs a huge forum with sub categories mentioned above. Nobody cares for them and most posts in there were either written by OP or after one of the community meetings where he complained about empty sub forums and how he would resign and quit working on CF.


c)Ideas
I said that SWAT forum meanwhile was nothing but a tumor with some funny hangman games in it. And that it should be removed and replaced.Though not by Huor as he already has the workload of 2 Forums on his shoulders.
And I said that releasing CF18 was the only way to increase the player numbers after all.



I still have to say that everything I said above is my opinion. What OP called insults is mainly what you see above I guess but I have gone a little further at two occasions.

To write something about my post, I'd like to start from the bottom. I thought of replacing the Forum cause OP was saying that he was resigning completely. I meanwhile doubt that. He stated that he wanted to keep the forum and as far as I understand, his op as admin.
My intention in writing this was to build up a counter position to what some people
on SWAT always preach, about how right OP is and so on.
I was simply sick of it, he does that every 4 months, stops work, then continues work. This time he also blamed the Serverpolice for not controlling the Shit.
Yet to this day I don't know what this shit thing is about. Turns out that we are involved now i guess, as we are the only ones banned after this chapter of Crossfire history.

Well, my own opinion was that everything went perfectly smooth with a great number of players playing, until OP made his ultimatum.
If there was anything going on then everyone was wise enough not to involve the uninvolved.

Please note: I know that if I wanted to criticize OP, I would have to mention many good things he has done for us. But I didn't want to. Even if the points that I make criticize him and his work, the post is only one half of a real critic.
This was open to read but not in his forum. OP read it and didn't like it.
Also note that this will stay public, so if you fear that your posts could result in a ban, we have a nice PM function.

I guess this thread will be continued with additional infos later.

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Thanks Black that you invested your time to translate your initial post again so all can read what was written. Yes there was written more, yes there were insults -> thatswhy i moved it out for publicity (yes after OPs objections).

Well i try to loose some words here too. As i was banned from SWAT as well (dunno if accidentally or by mistake). I removed my account from SWAT.

My history on CF is quite amazing with a lot of ups and some more downs. TRF didnt had an easy start at CF, we were KOS by a lot of members and well dunno we were not really welcome at all. The only ones that helped TRF at this times were Fallen, our only remaining long term friends on Crossfire. Thanks again for this!
After some initial quarrels we generally were very active. Unfortunate the members at that time werent that good at english and so many had problems to understand the SPs - Gunny and Dopple - at that times. Me personally didnt had much time then as i was at my exams and could only attent a few hours in the evening. Also at these times the SPs as well as OP didnt put much effort to explain things. And if you asked something you got a short answer (more yes - no like) than a really good explanation.
As i had more and more time, because i passed my exams - i have decided to help my clan (at this time not yet mine) and started to interact with mainly the SPs. That was good as i was able to translate many things, so my m8ts could understand. I took my time to explain things to them. With the time our living at the server became more smooth. That was it about our start. Death and WarCmdr were the leaders at that time.

Unfortunate there was a change in both lives of them and they didnt had the necessary time and money to lead the clan. I stepped in and decided to overtake the leader position (actually i got the job from Death). And then there were times i was nearly alone on the server - waiting for my other members. That was a phase of a great depression about TRF. I also was ServerPolice meanwhile and took this time to take care more and more about the problems of the single persons on the server and didnt took much care about my own clan. I also was very close to close TRF. Happily Lucy was so kind to join and from that time she has done so much for the clan and even for the RP on the server. I havent seen barely someone else with that courage and effort for RP than her. If you ask me - one of the greatest players in relation to RP. She knows about that - at least i as well as some others deeply respect her for her dedications.

I meanwhile got respected by many members - not by all - but thats OK Well i can affirm that i did a lot for the server, the portal, the community - much more than i did for my own clan. Thats a fact.

Now to the latest quarrels. I dont think that i need to mute my members if they voice their minds. They can do it - and actually i heard meanwhile from many that thats probably the thinking of many others as well. Now TRF got punished - no banned from the server and the forum. Others have done the same or even more worst than just voicing their minds. Sure their were insults and i stated that they shall leave those insults. You can voice your critism without insulting each other. But i do not ban my members for this. OP can actually do many things - but not telling me what i have to do with my members. Thats interfering in clan business - what btw is one of many accusations for the SPs!

Not that he only banned my members - what i can accept more or less. No - he also removed me as clan leader from SWAT and also as Site Mod. Sure he has all rights to do this. But not with the statements that i give a damn about the portal. Yes that was his statement. Thats probably the first lie of OP, because i did not. He knows this very well.
Now as i defend my point i was banned as well from SWAT - due to what reason? Dunno ask OP. As i give so a damn about the portal i decided to remove the CSF forum and my account from SWAT. And i even could ask OP to remove the Community Bar at the SWAT Portal page. That was my work, alone mine. Thanks OP I also invested many times to talk with several leaders and SPs for the latest rules posted on the Crossfire page - what in big parts was also my work (the CF page). OP only did some last adjustments. I also did defend SWAT on TSP together with OP. Where we (SWAT) did defend agains a stupid joke. I also spend some meeting together with one of the TSP admins to calm down the situation. So guess all that work is necessary to just get simply removed for not banning and muting my members and defend my clan. Thank you very much.

Than i have to justify OP statements about my clan: We are not better than anyone else, we didnt claimed it. We are not high above the rules, thats an assumption and interpretion of my saying. BTW interpretion is something i am accused of too. He does it as well - to his favor. I always did talk to my mates if they have broken rules, and the most did accept my objections. But i dont throw them out.

OP for sure didnt asked about much from the community, but i probably gave more than someone else. Actually there were a lot of players who helped. Not only me. But i am punished most now. Until now i didnt received a single prove that what i did was wrong, thats what i said in relation to the SP affairs was wrong.

And finally when i read statements from this salomao guy on the forum then i think that guy has no clue. I furthermore think he's one of many fake accounts (sorry in advance if i am wrong). Never else then now i recognized this guy. But is member since 2007.

There is something utterly wrong on Crossfire. Not only TRF. I invested my time and money for the crap - now i am treated like an public enemy No. 1. OPs a business man - open your eyes please and start to act on others like you did with TRF. Because if they all were honest, they would admit that they have nearly similar post in their internal forums. And then please ban SFP, PX and SMG and Fallen for having broken that rules too.

Actually OP - you are no way better as those guys on Reactorforge. You muted me because you cannot argument properly. Thats pathetic if you ask me. I also posted to you what fair play is. You didnt accepted it, because its not your view of fair play. You started to insult me, my work. Yes actually you started. Same thing happened on TSP and Reactorforge. I now bring the same kind of arguments in defence for my clan and now its something different. Furthermore i dont believe in anything - at least not that i know. And if you ask me what you have done for TRF than i only can admit - and already did that - that you gave us a server to play. Yes you did defend SWAT from other communites. Is there something more? Hm i really dont know. Because actually i had all strings attached to control TRF - not you. Furthermore you actually fear to voice your mind about TRF public - what do you fear for? We cant post anything at your forum... I think you probably fear to recon that other clan and other members feel the same way like TRF? If you think voicing your mind is pathetic then i cannot help you. And if you always stick to your words, you can probably name me all the people on SWAT that you trust. The rest needs to be banned the same way. Actually that is your saying - and no interpretion, same as many others. So please stick to your saying once more again. Me at least knows meanwhile 10 further players who simply must be banned, due to the same reason i was banned.

Thats it for now. As TRF and me are no longer are welcome on SWAT then we dont have many options left there. Finally its just sick to compare a clan forum like this with SWAT. We never compared with SWAT and thats a saying of OP thats worth nothing but only advertisment - something business men can do - or should be capable of to do - very good. As a last note - i would recommend to do some communication trainings as well, because it was you all the time who mentioned the word shit - where i mostly argumented in civilised manner. So just work on your own before you demand it from others. I guess you give a damn about it. But thats a fact. If you do it in RL the same way then you have a very strange clientship. <<- Thats no insult - just my mind.

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hmm weird turn-over i must admit.You have my opinion at swat...I can not say support, but i really do not know what happen behind curtains.

Personal issues, hate, hypocrisy, dishonest mixed with lies, common for all of us from time to time.
Problem is to admit this things and spent some time for introspective.Otherwise ppl stay in wonder and start to ask them self: why all this happening?
Simple, we are so imperfect.
But nothing wrong in this, after all we are just human beings, and we must learn to live with this.

Greetings
Mell

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You cannot Pass!!!

But say F....d and enter!

"IN PACE, UT SAPIENS, APTARIT IDONEA BELLO!"
Latin phrase
In peace, like a wise man, he appropriately prepares for war!

Amen.

Still, we aren't in a church here. I -- we I guess -- act on facts, not on faith. If you believe one of them, OP in particular will become a better person in the next decades, then you have a very long way to go.

EDIT: I am not going to live with or get used to people crapping on my head because of pure maliciousness. Everyone who tries, gets a kick in his ass, no matter how big he thinks it is.

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Prepare to die by my hand.

m8 i have no clue what happen behind curtains, but i know 1 for sure, if anything from my post reach your conscience, then i am very happy.

Welcome in a club, dude.



ps
idk why many ppl mix philosophy, psychology, religion and church? lol (j/k) From my experience this usually happens cos 95% is thematic illiterate ((<---very sad *


greetings Mell


*do not take this personally

ps
i feel somehow free, while using urs smiles

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You cannot Pass!!!

But say F....d and enter!

"IN PACE, UT SAPIENS, APTARIT IDONEA BELLO!"
Latin phrase
In peace, like a wise man, he appropriately prepares for war!

Actually there happened not much behind the curtains. I think it started with my translation of OPs ultimatum post, Black wrote more or less what you can read here, Death_Rain said he wont say anything further, Lucy told that he voiced her minds on SWAT already, Marauder told he has no relation to SWAT and WarCmd found it kindergarten shit. Actually there were insults at that thread - i admit that and yes i already did. I also stated that the insults has to be stopped. So that was the basic.

Then last Thursday OP contact me via MSN (I wondered anyway cause he said he stays away 1 month). Anyway he asked me if i want to continue with TRF at SWAT. Hm OK after a few seconds of reminding i stated - yes. Then OP more or less that he feels offended and that he don't need that kind of support what he has read at that thread. I stated that those are the impressions and minds of my members and that they can voice their mind if they do so. I also stated that i don't weighting what is said there. Then the discussion turned into why i hold such people with such an attitude in my clan. I told - why i shouldn't? If i ban them then they are away and probably search for something as replacement. That is not my first intention as leader - so i prefer to talk to my mates instead of muting or banning them. At least there are more occasions needed than just voicing the mind. OP in return asked why i am concerned about members eventually not returning after i eventually banned them. Ahm ok because they are my members?! Then OP asked me if i am a leader - in remind to the current discussion ongoing i said no - because i am not a leader that OP is demanding of leaders. That was banning or mute them if they are voicing their mind (i guess). I myself in return asked that he shall explain to me what leadership means if he thinks i am utterly wrong in being leader. Then he told he removed BG for some time from the server, he kicked out two members. Fine he can do it. But i am not that kind of person in first instance. It also was told that he will take necessary steps - that was banning them from the forum and server - because he don't need such members in his community. Its OK if he bans them from SWAT - server and forum - his server his choice. I have to accept that although (as you might imagine) i am not very happy. Nevertheless i have to accept that.

Ok the rest can be read or no longer be read at SWAT. I have no clue.

In the same moment OP banned some of my members from the forum and the server he removed my rights as leader of TRF as well as Site Mod. I was informed by a member what his reasons were - he posted it and informed all other leaders but never myself. He was stating that he don't need untrustworthy members in his community and thats why he removed some TRF members. Actually i am asking myself how much persons he really trusts on SWAT - must be many if only TRFs got removed.
Furthermore my moderator rights were removed because i give a damn about the portal and put my members high above the rules. Thats an quote and was exactly that way written. Thx for the informant.
Thats an interpretation because i said i don't mute my members and don't ban them of voicing their minds. I don't accept the rule breaking part and put not much concern in it as you all know that not only TRFs have broken rules. Nevertheless until now only TRF was punished.
Additionally he mentioned to each members as an example that OP is not allowed to criticise the SP members but my members are allowed to do everything. Thats something he took out of my saying kinda interpretation. First its OPs good right to criticise the SP members, i didn't stated otherwise. I just voiced my sorrows about the how it was done. All SPs were attacked - everyone work was made bad - just because he was not able to do this personally - just because he is the admin and has to generalize. Sure his server his right. I yet don't think it was fair to do it that way. I also stated that its OK that now all are banned. Thats OK because everyone was treated the same way. Nevertheless the kind how he did it was IMHO not OK. And i wasn't alone with this mind. You can ask all other SPs - i think you will rarely find one who says it was OK

Next situation in that row was the fact that OP gave the leaders one week before he is doing the announcement that he will leave SWAT. In that post he stated that we have this week to inform our members and do necessary steps. But at this time there were no option left, because he stated to retire at the end of the year and closes the server after 9 month. And as OP is no friend of interpretations i say to you all - honest - what do you suppose to do if the admin says to you (not literally). No matter what you do - i step back and after 9 month the server gets closed. Aha i voiced my sorrows because there were no option left for the other leaders. Then nearly after the end of this week Myric came with the interpretation of OPs saying that we have to do proposals and OP in this 9 month will consider those proposals to think of to eventually let SWAT alive. So much to that topic. If you ask me - we have gotten the gun on our breast with the option to do what we want - anyway after 9 month we were shot.
So as the idea of doing proposals came later on we didn't had time yet to think of such, because initially this option was not given.

The rest you can read at SWAT because then it was public

I did defend my point and actually am banned for this. I got no warning nor did i post something against SWAT, i just posted that this salomao guy is very weird. Probably one of many fakes of old users. Actually i have never seen that guy in game nor on the forum. Just now because SWAT has 1 month to prove. Its OK that he posts news and all that stuff - but its not OK if a guy never seen around speaks out what is best for SWAT. Well he can do it - its his free choice. But i don't give much attention to it. I don't like people having nothing done the last 3 years - not a single post and now want to tell all whats best. Now I am banned - just because - what?

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I am not sure if anyone knows about this but i will let tell it anyway - some of you remember some not.

In the recent times at SWAT there was many incidents with other communities. Two things i can think of right now are the following:

At a certain time we at SWAT discussed about what happens if "The Startport" (One of the biggest modding communities for FL) would close. We voiced our sorrows at SWAT (you find this thread at SWAT) and later on turned to defend OP because he was attacked on TSP, right after OP voiced his minds about TSP - critic was given by OP. Threads at TSP were closed and moved and some were even deleted. So people who are doing critics were more or less muted at TSP. Now back in relation with SWAT and TRF - its the same. OP muted me and my members because some of them did criticise SWAT. Insults were not OK - I admit that. So nearly same situation but now its OK.

Then another nearly same situation at Reactorforge - OP voiced his minds about one of the admins there (dunno eventually about the site as well -> but thats not important). OP got banned then re-banned, threads were closed and moved even deleted. OP mostly complained about that behaviour and voiced that he did not find it OK to mute members/visitors just because they voiced their minds. Of course thats not very fair. You can close the thread - give warnings and other stuff. Now back to SWAT and TRF - its in principal similar. My members did criticise OPs work and now are muted and even banned from SWAT. But now its OK.

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Summarize:

I just thought to inform you about that. My concerns started with the public criticise of the SP affairs. It seems from then i worked against SWAT - just because i had a different understanding of how to deal with such things, different understanding of fair play, different understanding how to deal with players. And for sure a different understanding of what to do with my clan members as leader. The community got a chance (1 month) to solve the issues with each other, the forum and all the rest. TRF was an exception from that. We didn't had the chance by others to solve those issues. No the admin had to deal with it immediately. But actually i am still asking myself why was only TRF an exception if others have cause more trouble over the last 3 years than just that now by TRF. Probably thats something OP still considered fair play.

And now you can make your own mind. Still thats only my observations - guess you have to ask OP about the other point of view. You can do it on SWAT. I cannot

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aaaaaah too much text

textblock critically hits you for -12372184 damages.

Never too much text or talking, cos for careful reader this can help to understand whole situation.
Most of the problems in our life comes from the luck of thinking and later talking between each other.

Of course Huor, as u already know for argue we always need 2, remember?

Situation is perfectly clear for me, but solution for, is far away from me i must admit .
I will try to repeat again, what is the reason from my point of view:



As i know many ppl can not or hardly understand essence of this sentence in first reading.You have original version and pls try to translate at German.
Main reason why all Shit<---lol happens, but you must admit that "shit happens" all the time.

Anyway i am more then willing to help in understanding between us cos i really care, not for game in the first place, i care for us, cos we are the entity who put life in multi-player games.Yes we -human beings.

If you can interpreted this sentence as I can, this could lead to a solution.
I am looking forward for further constructive discussions.

ps
It's pointless* to say that i agree, with most what you wrote above.

* <--- did u ever try to click?

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But say F....d and enter!

"IN PACE, UT SAPIENS, APTARIT IDONEA BELLO!"
Latin phrase
In peace, like a wise man, he appropriately prepares for war!

Actually there is only one solution and that was accomplished. Mute me and my members. As this was done by the admin you can do whatever you want. Admins decisions are final. That are the rules and that has happened. I dont expect anything any longer.

So that part of my live - CF and SWAT - is over. There are other important things to do and offer my help at other communities

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I will post my statement about OPs clarifiaction later... Just as a prequal - its not the full clarification and for sure much more interpretions of him
I tend to explain it - what i said, what happened in the right time periods - because as we know both sides are needed to form an own oppinion.

And before that - its not my intention to damage SWAT, just stating facts...

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Duh... i'm kinda at a loss here. I mean, what the f*ck? CF is a nice game, but that's it, right?

It. Is. Just. A. Game.

... and if i'd be in a very very very generous mood OP could kiss my ass. But i ain't and therefore he can't.

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Rum! Baby, Rum!

I just want to take my chance to explain some things now, as they are simply written by OP are not correct - at least not at all. I dont intent to harm SWAT or OP.


First of all - i dont justify what Marauder did at Moddb and yet thats another prove of what might happened if i have thrown him out. There are just alone those two possibilities and nothing else.

Possibility 1: Marauder were banned from me for certain reasons. Result would be that he would have posted the same things at moddb - but probably then it would not have been reflected back to TRF. I was even not informed about what was going on at moddb. After i was informed i did contact Marauder to leave it as its not worth it. Summarize of possibility 1 - Marauder would have been banned from TRF and yet he would have posted on Moddb. Now else than just the reflection to TRF had this changed? Imo nothing. Because i can mute him here at TRF and OP can mute him on SWAT doesnt mean it changes his mind. I cannot change his mind and i accept that fact.

Possibility 2: Marauder remains inside TRF (current situation) he is annoyed not by me - but by SWAT for certain reasons. He would post the things on Moddb with the only difference that now TRF as a whole is accused.

Comparison to both: Marauder would have posted in both cases on moddb - only difference in case 1 TRF would probably not be affected. I guess the generalisation is something that makes everything worst than necessary.

The announcement was opened because i thinks its only fair others get informed about the initial reasons you had OP. The title is just a title - nothing more nothing less.

And due to this reason i will correct a few of your mentioned things. Because there is hell of interpretation of you in it.

Yes there were 5 rules. No there were no discussion about it. You posted that you feel sad and annoyed by the recent happening at that times and you suggested and recommend that every leader post this on their clan boards. In that post was nothing written to discuss those 5 points. Period. You all can ask your leaders whats written at SWAT about it. It was not TRF that did agree it was me - alone me. Yes in the name of TRF but without the chance to discuss it. Anyway thats not the point here. I admit i have the responsibility to enforce those rules. What i normally did. Reflecting on the latest quarrels - not the way SWAT intents me to deal with it. Even currently without the chance to take necessary steps.

No no. Actually i can admit it - yes we have broken those rules. Actually other clans have not only broken 1 or 2 - actually its also 4 of them. Face it. That doesnt make the situation better. But it would be more fair if you OP would treat other clans the same way like TRF. And as you obviously was informed about we have broken the rules - wouldnt it be your task to immediately interfere before it gets out of hand? Sorry nothing happened. Same as with the SP - what i will mention later.

When do you stop to post such nonsense. But actually there must have been reasons why TRF was not involved in all the big quarrels on the server... Anyway thats not the point. We are not high above the rules. That was never mentioned by me and its just an interpretation. Recon it OP - you do it all the time as well.

Yes the job of a leader is to enforce the rules - btw is also a job of the SPs and the Admin. Where did i stated that i knew my members would break those rules? I said the risk that those rules are broken is very high. And actually ALL clans have broken the one or another rule. No that makes TRF not better than the remaining clans - but that makes other clan not better than TRF!

It would have been your task to inform me so we both and with help of others could have solved it at time. Period. I invested my time to help other clans to calm down situations. But now this "chance" is something i didnt got. Very helpful. Thanks again.

Yes the SPs were not always the same oppinion - we are lacking of communication. I mentioned this over years. Nothing was done. I just tried to talk much - not to just talk but to understand why people act the way they are doing. That has always been a bad mark in some of the SPs - i was even blamed for that. The situation on the server didnt allowed it to ban and kick the players. We would have lost more than we would have won. Also you OP stated it. Now that you have gotten so many complaints - i guess it would have been fair to contact us SPs to talk, to grasp what has happened. Sorry again. Nothing happened. Just the post that the SPs are retired from their dutys. Very common. I know that you have also lot of other work to do - i am aware of it. But with a bit more interest the issues could have get resolved. Now they are bannished and are not resolved.

SPs are also only humans and so have their failures too. SPs were the toilet for the server issues. We had to deal with the people and we had to decide at time what is the best in our eyes. If we failed in so many things then it would have been your task to infrom us about the problems. Again nothing happened. You could ask all SPs.

They did lead to take away stress, to calm down people, to not throw everything away, to hold players on the server. I am not quite sure how else you would have reached it without discussion. No proposal were yet given not a single fact that proves that discussions were wrong.

Lucy was one week SP, she got that position from me because i was the workhorse for 3 years and was blamed alot lately. No matter what i decided it was mistaken by a few players on the server. And I was accused and insulted. I am very tolerant and i can bear a lot - but at a certain time my good will has also an ending. I also did voiced in the SP Boards about my sorrows. Nothing was done. So just Lucy disturbed a business of another clan - very funny that there were SPs on the server who did exactly the same two years ago on the server. Nothing has been done at that times. Lucy with less experience in the job got the full punishment for it. And me even wasnt informed about those issues. Wouldnt it be someones duty to inform the leader of it?

I guess that was not the intention by Lucy. I guess her intention was to share the load. You pay the bills, all server clans had their part in it as well.

A few arguments from an admin are just to much. So fighting again an admin is needless for Lucy thatswhy she decided to step aside.

Chances are always fair. IMHO. But at the end chances given are only worth if you can fullfill them. The chances you gave us at that time was fair but hard tho. And why it were hard - because we had the quarrels with the SPs and the critic of you to the whole community. All did shit, all have done nothing. So it had to come that the majority were frustrated. I tried to avoid that situation - but failed - why because i discuss too much

I opened that thread to inform my clan mates of that ultimatum. I dont need to apologize if not all of them are understanding english very good - so i had to translate it to also let them know about what you are requesting.
Yes i did comment the situation with the words "we were not able to do that in one year so how should we do it in just one month". But to give the full detail about it. It was in relation to fill the server again with people. BTW we were doing good before the SP affairs started. I was aware of the situation and thatswhy i voiced my sorrows about the "how" you intended to NOW act. Finally as you voiced your actions the player numbers dropped immediately. So based on the fact that we needed a year to get 20 or 30 players on the server - how you intent us to bring the same amount of players or even more back in just 3/4 of a month? We had to fail in that point. Based on all the recent actions.

I offered my help, Lucy offered her help. Lucy got totally ignored for her moderation job. Black did contribute a tutorial for the resolution problem on CF. You got that by mail with - unfortunate Black even got no thank you. That was one week of work. Black also solved the problem with the Adv. Debrilator. Nothing was used. Ignored. I at least voiced my opinions a few times of the forum - you said it remains the way it is. I helped you to improve it, to let bots read posts, to do the necessary style adjustments. Yes i received your praise. Just want to say my members did contribute something. Actually and that reflect to other clans as well - not all members are capable of supporting SWAT in those matters.

You have removed them already and me


And now i need to correct you because i could easily state that this are lies. I just see it as yet another interpretion of you. I demand - stop those interpretations - same as you demanded it from me!

Never said this. Interpretation No1


Never said this. Interpretation No2


Never said this. Interpretation No3.
Prove is the MSN Log - that i have. So please, dont twist the things to suit better into your story. I know that i havent said something like this. Similar things that are interpreted that way.

RP disussion I did claim about how it may be that a clan has a principal to deny a part of the roleplay but simply have a principal to never pay tax. I dont intent that i get a tax from a copper. Seriously. I also did state that in the SP thread! I just dont find it very OK to have such princips. Because pirates have to ask for tax before they can engage. Cops have the advantage to get either taxed or shot without any hail for tax. But why should a pirate do his RP (asking for tax) with a clan that denies that part of the RP rules. For you its OK. For me not. Issue is not solved yet - well I accept it and ignored the RP in return with that clan.

All clans had the same benefit - not only TRF. Yes you did mainly payed the bills, the clans have supported you with that matter.

And where is the rest that needs to be punished?

Yes i cannot change people. I didnt got a 2nd chance, I even got not that chance to get in discussion with others. Clear that personally me invested much time with other clans and their probs with each other. But all the rest didnt got the chance to contact me or even solve this issue. Month and years other clans have gotten chances. Currently me not! Thanks that you banned me from SWAT without notifying me. Its pointless to ban me and say good bye without that i had the chance to say good bye as well. Thanks that you treat me like shit - for all that i have done for SWAT. Just because no one else got the chance to convince me of my errors or to calm me down same as i did with other in all those years. And you wonder that i say that i dont want to have to do anything with SWAT when in first instance you kicked me out? I underline ME.

I am probably responsible for my clan. Yes that i am. But i am not responsible if my clan mates are posting on moddb. I even voiced my concerns there and internally meanwhile. Yet i am accused of not controlling all the time my members. Sorry i am not china! BTW. Now that i intent to act i am again not supported.

I am not respected. Not the same way that i did respect you and your work OP. If you are acting with the same measures then you are not better.

Good. Finally. Some even mentioned that whenever you got back the situation got worst than before. Yes i got that from a few.

As i have not the option to voice my sorrows at SWAT internally i have to use this way - because 1st i am banned there, 2nd everyone should be informed. Currently problems are not solved. They are sweeped away and i just have the bad feeling that they will return sooner or later. Although we were supposed the problems in this month. I had some good intentions for SWAT for the upcoming year. You probably will be informed at 1st January. But i had to lay it at rest. Unfortunate - the initiative for this came not from me.

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OP has exaggerated in every way possible I guess.

TRF has never even had the chance to threaten OP, nor a reason.

SWAT was neither attacked nor back stabbed, and most of all not the people playing.
If we insulted anyone, it was OP, never a player.

Generally, if one member does something wrong, OP seems to say this was the way the whole Clan would act.
If one member does something good though, its not going to be reflected on the clan. In huors case not even on himself I guess.
And believe me, I dont like the fact that I am part of the reason Huor got banned in the first place.

We are not, like OP seems to say, backstabbing the SWAT community, nobody here has a problem with any member. We aimed at the admin. The admin that wanted to leave SWAT anyway. The one who has already caused a lot of trouble in the past (Clans, TLR, Serverpolice, ...), more than TRF ever could


@huor:


This was just an epic way to end your post.


More than a title. A headline, one great title
Nah, I chose it because it was so ambiguous.

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Die Hardly Working

Also wie ich das so mitbekomme, laut Google-Übersetzer, Wird TRF der 1. und 2.WK in die schuhe geschoben nur weil wir nicht unsere Klappe halten!?
Huor ist nicht unser Leader weil er uns nicht verbietet unsere meinung los zu werden!?
Lucy ne schlechte SP war/ist weil sie in 2 wochen die möglichkeit hatte zu zeigen was sie kann!?
OP mit kritik von unterer stelle nicht klar kommt!? (abends bin ich gamer. es reicht wenn ich mir tagsüber den kopf zerbrechen wie ich ein verwaltungsgebeude am laufen halte)
TRF war auf CF. weil wir dort spass hatten! Gut, anfangs wurden uns dort schon große Steine in den weg geräumt. NAUND wir sind geblieben!!! Auch hatten wir unsere tiefpunkte (nach bekanntgabe von 1.8 ) NAUND. wir kamen wieder!!!


@ OP du kannst nicht erwarten das jeder mensch der FL Spielt in der lage ist zu Modden oder eine Community zu moderieren. Das funzt alleien schon wegen den großen altersunterschied nicht!!!
Sicher weis ich was du hier rin steckst hab schlieslich auch schon versucht zu modden aber mir dazu die konzentration fehlte (gesundheitlich)!

@TRF...
bin zufrieden mit euch und mit dem was wir erreicht haben.
sicherlich ist nicht alles so gelaufen wie Götter es gerne hätten aber dann wäre ja die welt
eine welt ohne gegensätze!
kann mir net vorstellen das es sowas in RL gibt...oh guten Tag Officer- huch Hallo Mister Pirat wie geht es Ihnen denn heute?!... denkt mal drüber nach.

so mehr schwachsinn fällt mir nach einer überdosis medi im moment net ein... bis bald
euer "Death-Rain" aka Viligant aka Vendetta

wer rechtschreibfehler findet darf sie behalten!!!

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And then OP asks himself WHY Discovery has 150+ people online at any given time??????
and crossfire only 20 at MOST!!!!

This while crossfire actualy is the better mod acording to everyone who ever played it!!!

Discovery:
has more stupid and or strange rules
is much more controlled by SP/admins
doesnt have cool ships
actualy doesnt have anything that makes crossfire the better mod

but Discovery does have a few things going for it
it has PEOPLE !!!(i counted 16 nationalities already ..... prob more there)
it has pirates taxing........ cops, miners, traders, and everyone else (nobody seems to mind because they are PIRATES) pirates tend to do thos nasty things.
it has serious RP
it has clans...... pirate clans that shoot you for no reason (or if you dont pay!!!) and no one not one nobody cries about it ............ and admins say its RP buy a better ship and kick his ass.

Cencored by Huor!

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